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But what she finds there leaves no room for hope. Hart: They're both trying to figure out how much reporters have found out about what's going on. Support for that movement among serving members of Congress who prove willing and able to use their share of American political power to defend the extremists, to protect themselves, to throw off the investigation. 04:10PM -04 Simon Bolivar Int'l (Maiquetia Int'l) - CCS. Among the dozens of people killed was a sitting U.S. senator. Yeah. Flannery: Why did this plane go down with these experienced pilots in a seemingly good airplane, in a storm that planes go through? The reason for him to be concerned was that there was a good chance the feds were onto him, onto his relationship with that Nazi agent. CLASSIFICATION OF ACCIDENT CAUSES D R A-B O AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT D R A-B OTHER 100% UNDETERMINED CARD NAVAIR 339C, DATE HOUR LOCATION PURPOSE SERIAL NUMBER 5-Dec-45 APPROX 1904 AT SEA NAVIGATION 60-45 PILOT NAME, RANK & SERVICE GROUP ASSIGNED CEILING VISIBILITY WIND/ FORCE DARKNESS NIGHT HRS NIGHT HRS GERBER F.J., 2ndLt, USMCR VTB-1 UNLIMITED8 8 W 8 NONE UNIT AIRCRAFT ASSIGNED WEATHER @ ACCIDENT INSRUMENT INSTRUMENT TYPE CLEARANCE VTB-1, USNAS FT LAUDERDALE HOURS HOURS CONTACT TOTAL HOURS TOTAL HRS THIS MODEL TOTAL HOURS LAST 3 MONTHS HOURS THIS MODEL LAST 3 MONTHS TIME IN FLIGHT MANEUVER OR ALT OF MANEUVER ANGLE OF IMPACT, STOP DIST, EST SPEED 360.6 61.8 71.4 61.8 Approx. Hart: This is a speech that's sort of unlike most that Lundeen gives. He had a spotless record. So when the Department of Justice says he wasn't under investigation and we know he was, then they're concealing that he was under investigation and it's being asked in the context of a plane crash. The flight path was a triangle that would have them flying east, doing a practice bombing run and then proceeding east straight out into the empty seas. WebThe communications between Flight 19, Flight 74, and NAS Lauderdale were recorded and transcribed. One of the most oft-discussed and mysterious vanishings of aircraft revolve around the enigmatic Flight 19, in 1945. Maddow: Lundeen's political career had a bit of a bumpy start. 93-16], Riverine Warfare: The US Navy's Operations on Inland Waters, Rocks and Shoals: Articles for the Government of the U.S. Navy, The Recruitment of African Americans in the US Navy 1839, The Role of COMINT in the Battle of Midway, The Role of the United States Navy in the Formation and Development of the Federal German Navy, 1945-1970, Royal Works USS Lexington [Crossing the Line 1936], Rules for the Regulation of the Navy - 1775, The Russian Navy Visits the United States, A Sampling of U.S. But ten days after his burial, all hell broke loose over the legacy and death of Senator Lundeen because of another newspaper report: September 13th, 1940. Keep in mind, this was the third and final time Taylor had to ditch his plane due to being lost. Just a few months after he lost his seat in Congress. Maddow: Senator Ernest Lundeen's last two weeks on earth were stressful. WebThe last transmission from Flight 19 took place at 19:04 when Lt. Cox was on air communicating with Flight 19, until their signal got weaker. Does anyone in the area have a radar screen that could pick us up?. Maddow: What were those FBI and Justice Department personnel doing on board that flight? Perhaps the trainees hadnt made a mistake after all. WebFlight 19 On December 5, 1945 five pilots and nine airmen disappeared off the coast of Florida. 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And it looked to her like her boss, Senator Lundeen, might have even been among the people involved in that struggle, but she couldn't be entirely sure. Landing Craft From Troy to Tokio, Skunks, Bogies, Silent Hounds, and the Flying Fish, Slapton Sands: The Cover-up That Never Was, Smith, Melancton Rear Admiral USN A Memoir, Smoker Sat., July 27, 1918 U.S.S. Because calculated efforts to undermine democracy, to foment a coup, to spread disinformation across the country, overt actions involving not just a radical band of insurrectionists, but actual serving members of congress working alongside them, that sort of thing is that's a lot of things. Much of the information in media accounts has been altered to support the myth. Efforts were made immediately to contact flight by radio and to direct them to fly a course of 270 degrees or into sun. flight transcript hijack thesmokinggun by Brian Dunning Filed under History & Pseudohistory, Paranormal Skeptoid Podcast #417 June 3, 2014 Podcast transcript | Subscribe Listen: 105 (1869) North & South Pacific Squadrons Combined into Pacific Station, General Order No.

WebShortly after 2:00 p.m. on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avenger torpedo bombers departed U.S. WebFlight 19 (Part 3) Astonishing Legends - see all episodes The timeline of events leading up to the disappearance of Flight 19 suggest, as with so many tragedies, that it was not just one mistake responsible for the ultimate loss of 27 airmen, but a series of minor miscommunications and faltering. Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for a routine navigational training flight with Lt. Charles C. Taylor acting as the flight's leader. WebFlight 19 (Part 3) Astonishing Legends - see all episodes The timeline of events leading up to the disappearance of Flight 19 suggest, as with so many tragedies, that it was not just one mistake responsible for the ultimate loss of 27 airmen, but a series of minor miscommunications and faltering. Alabama by U.S.S.

At that point, they were probably flying east toward the open ocean and were probably about 200 miles offshore. CO: Concur with report of board. He tells the story to everyone who is interested! A radio message was intercepted from the flight at around 1600 hours, recording a conversation likely between Taylor and the pilot of WebAt approx 1600, radio messages THOMPSON, HOWELL O SGT, USMCR-A MISSING A that led us to believe flight was lost in vicinity of PAONESSA, GEORGE R SGT, USMCR-A MISSING A Bahama Islands. On December 5th,1945 just after 2 pm, Flight 19 left Fort Lauderdales Naval Air Station. A violent, ultra-right authoritarian movement, weirdly infatuated with foreign dictatorships. The four student pilots had compiled approximately 60 ), FT-74: put the sun on your port wing if you are in the Keys and fly up the coast until you get to Miami. The disappearance began the modern myth of the Bermuda Triangle. He had about 2,500 hours total time, but he was new to the command, even if he had previously been based in Miami and flown over the Florida Keys. We pick up the first messages to and from the lead aircraft, going by the call sign Fox Tare Two Eight (FT-28). The logbook of USS Solomons, the carrier which saw Training 49 disappear off radar, is also available. Naval Anecdotes Relating to HMS Leopard Versus USS Chesapeake, 24 June 1807. The air was very turbulent. Senator, gone in an instant. At this time, the weather at Palm Beach, which was roughly on a line of where they would have been, had turned stormy, which made sighting the land even more difficult. ", Copy of talk given by Captain B.E. Literally on the local railroad. JORDON, JAMES F ARM3C USN MISSING A 52. Senator Lundeen's secretary will later tell the FBI that they didn't talk at all for the whole ride. He's not sitting at his desk like usual. Flannery: I think that the coincidence defies the probabilities. I am over land but its broken. This and many other events that followed were warning signs that things were amiss even before the start of the flight. ), FT-28 (about 20 minutes later; partly paraphrased): We will fly 270 degrees until we hit the beach or run out of gas. (Ed comments: this was absolutely the right thing and had they done this earlier, they would have been fine.). He was in tears leading up to that flight, according to his secretary. He was about 15 at the time. He had to escape one such angry crowd hidden away in a refrigerated train car. And the mystery of what caused that crash, that mystery has endured. Hunley, Sinking of USS Indianapolis - Press Releases & Related Sources, Memorandum to Press on Scheduled Testimony, Chapter II. But he was determined. What most people do not know is that Senator Lundeen was under investigation at the time of his death., A G-Man [meaning an FBI agent], a Department of Justice attorney, and an FBI secretary were on the plane with him, and all were killed., The Department of Justice probably will deny that they were shadowing the Minnesota Senator, but the fact is that at least one of them definitely was.". After that, apparently the pilots undergoing training made a navigational error. A bird or a plane or a flying machine or terrestrial things. Its complement of five Grumman Avenger bombers, crewed by fourteen airmen, were lost at sea on 5 December 1945 after losing their bearings. 152-41, Perspectives on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, Philadelphia Experiment: ONR Information Sheet, The Pioneers - A Monograph on the First Two Black Chaplains in the Chaplains Corps of the United States Navy, Plea in Favor of Maintaining Flogging in the Navy, Pocket Guide to New Guinea and the Solomons, Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters: A Sketch, Post Mortem CIC [Combat Information Center] Notes, Radio Intelligence Appreciations Concerning German U-Boat Activity in the Far East, Ready Seapower: A History of the US Seventh Fleet by Edward J. Marolda [pdf]. Theres a note pinned to the front describing how the pages of the speech were found 100 yards away from the epicenter of the plane crash site. And they didn't just run him out of Congress, they ran him out of town on a rail. Flannery: Well, from where we're standing, it's, its between us and the Short Hill mountain. Efforts were made to contact flight by radio & direct to fly course of 270 degrees or into sun. He said it was signed by the lone flight attendant on board. That the weather conditions over area assigned to CAMERON, ROBERT C. ARM3C USN MISSING A PBM-5 59225 Ron Training 49 on night of 5 DEC 1945 CARGILL WILEY DAVID SLC(AMM) USN MISSING A were undesirable, but not unduly hazardous for mission PETERSON, DONALD EDWARD AMM1C USN MISSING A assigned. -. It means they know something they don't want us to know.

Maddow: The aeronautics board report concluded that the multiple witnesses who described abnormally loud roaring engines right at the time of the crash, those witnesses were onto something.

And that passenger manifest confirmed what Senator Lundeen's secretary already knew. The rest of the transmissions were heard by ASRTU-4. I said I gotta get out of here, I cant take anymore of this. And Ernest Lundeen threw himself headlong into the effort to try to stop that, too. He didn't sell it. ENGINES RECOMMENDATIONS: Added emphasis is being placed on GEN NATURE E-2 importance of proper navigation & lost plane procedure SPEC TYPE ACC (6) Lost - fuel exhaustion CO: Concur with report of board. And a criminal justice system trying, trying, but ill-suited to thwart this kind of danger. I (part II), Building the Navy's Bases, vol. It seems as if the leader was flying with seriously impaired judgment and was somehow lacking in normal pilotage skills, which is bizarre given that he had 2,500 hours of total flight time to his name. 244 [1934] Alcoholic Liquors, General Order No. comments: As the flight leader had previously flown out of Miami and done many flights over the Florida Keys, none of this makes any sense, since it is fairly obvious how to navigate up the Keys to Miami and then continue north to Ft. Lauderdale. Only the flight leader,Lieutenant C. C. Taylor, USNR, was experienced. Even before his secretary arrives. The Riddle of Flight 19 The 1945 disappearance of five fighter planes in the Bermuda Triangle was real, but hardly how it's portrayed. For 14 minutes, there was no word from FT-28. Painter: We walked through this cornfield and parts of bodies was strung along the cornstalks, and everything like that. FT-28: One of the planes in the flight thinks if we went 270 degrees we could hit land.. 1 (1863) Rules to Disseminate General Orders, General Order No. Informative and well-written article, well done. Headline: "G-MEN WERE SHADOWING LATE SENATOR." Naval Air Station San Diego California, CIC [Combat Information Center] Manual (RADSIX), CIC [Combat Information Center] Operation in an AGC, CIC [Combat Information Center] Yesterday and Today, CINCPAC Glossary of Commonly Used Abbreviations and Short Titles, List of Narrative Reports - Commanding Officers, Colored Persons in the Navy of the U.S. (1842), Combined Operation Craft: Small Scale Drawings, COMINT [Communications Intelligence] Contributions [to] Submarine Warfare in WW II, Command and Control of Air Operations in the Vietnam War, Commander Task Force Seventeen Operation Plan 1-45, Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations, Comparison of Military and Civilian Equivalent Grades, Compilation of Enlisted Ratings and Apprentiships US Navy 1775-1969, Condition of the Navy and Its Expenses 1821, Conflict and Cooperation: The U.S. and Soviet Navies in the Cold War, Constitution Sailors in the Battle of Lake Erie [pdf], The Continental Navy: "I Have Not Yet Begun to Fight. He doesnt appear to be sick, though. Radio Reporter: In this country now, in the nations capital at Washington. ELIASON, LLOYD A. ENS USNR MISSING A 1. WebFlight 19 turned and began to make its way toward the second leg of its exercise, and things took a turn for the strange. If these directions had been heard & carried out we are certain this flight would have returned to base safely. They force-marched him to the local railyard, threw him in the refrigerator car of a train that was just pulling out of the station, and then locked the door. It was a terrible loss, but one with a clear explanation.
51 (1865) Announcing Death President Abraham Lincoln, General Order No. Radio Reporter: He thinks reporters and newspapers who have helped to indict the defendants are engaged in a dirty business, and predicted that the day will soon come when they will all regret it. This is the NBC newsroom in New York. For the next hour, the flight apparently flew back toward Florida directly into the teeth of a strong headwind. Maddow: Historian Nancy Beck Young has done extensive research on this fight in Congress, and in the streets.

132 (1915) Khaki Dye for White Undress Uniform, General Order No. A few years ago, he decided he would interview some of the last living eye-witnesses, people who were actually there that day in 1940 when the disaster happened. That PBM-5 59255, Ron 9 departed from NAS BANANA ZWICKI, ALFRED JOSEPH S1C(AOM)USNR MISSING A RIVER on Air Sea Rescue Mission at about 1927 5DEC1945 OSTERHELD, JAMES FREDERICK AOM3C USN MISSING A 2. The planes held so many gallons of fuel flying at a certain airspeed would have established a baseline for calculating. 4 h 55 m UNKNOWN - UNKNOWN PREVIOUS ACCIDENT RECORD INJURIES TO PILOT Pilot was member of scheduled, routine, day navigation MISSING A flight which took off from NAS FT LAUDERDALE FL NAME AND RANK OF OTHER PERSONNEL INJ 5 DEC 1945 at 1408. They let him ride in the caboose to the next station. Finally, the flight leader wasnt doing the navigating, but rather the students were flying the route prescribed estimating time and distance while holding the prescribed headings. A/S rescure unit 4 alerted all stations and everything possible was done to get whis flight back safely. Flannery: The report is just full of unsupported exploration of possibilities that are, that they have no basis in fact, they have no basis in science, and they just say these things. What do you make of that? He wanted to search for the Squadron at this point, but was told not to, by NASFL officials who RECOMMENDATIONS: added ENGINES emphasis is placed on importance of proper navigation GEN NATURE E-2 & lost plane procedure. Sixty years later little more is known about what happened to them. That investigation found that while there was bad weather there was thunder and lightning and some heavy rainfall in the area there was nothing so unusual about the storm that the plane shouldn't have been cleared to fly. Turn on your emergency IFF gear, or do you have it on? (Ed. Theyre patriots who are saving America. Intensive search was carrried A/C MODEL & NO PARACHUTE out starting at daybreak 6 DEC 1945 & securing at 1527 TBM-3 23307 USED 10 DEC 1945. 258 (1917) SecNav Announces Death of Admiral Dewey, General Order No. The investigation found that there was no evidence of a fire on board the plane, no evidence of an explosion. FT-28: I cannot switch frequencies. Now the expos did not mention Senator Lundeen by name, but the newspaper's description of the scheme, it was spot-on when it came to describing the nature of that relationship, the nature of the activities that Lundeen was up to with that German agent. After that, at a timed turn point, they would veer north for about 70 miles and then turn southwest back to Ft. Lauderdale. FT-28 (paraphrased): IFF gear was off, I am turning it on now. 4 h 55 m UNKNOWN - UNKNOWN SPEED PREVIOUS ACCIDENT RECORD INJURIES TO PILOT Pilot was leader of scheduled, routine, day navigation MISSING A flight which took off from NAS FT LAUDERDALE NAME AND RANK OF OTHER PERSONNEL INJ 5 DEC 1945 at 1408. The people should make known their protest. 1, War Damage Report No. That Walter G Jeffrey, LTJG, USN 329291 volunteer ARCENEAUX, CHARLES D. ENS USNR MISSING A to act as patrol plane commander of PBM-5 59225 CONE, HARRY GRIMES LTJG USNR MISSING A Squadron Training 49, on night of 5 DEC 1945 & in so ALLEN, ROGER MURRAY ENS USNR MISSING A doing displayed sense of duty & spirit. That allows us to make our own judgment about what might have happened. A bird or a plane or a flying machine or terrestrial things. Senator Ernest Lundeen reported killed today in the crash of a Pennsylvania Central Airlines plane. The two engines of the DC-3 actually had been at wide-open full throttle when the plane slammed into the ground. If these directions had been heard and carried out, we are certain this flight would have returned to base safely. 1 to be exact. Witnesses say, in fact, they heard the engines roaring full tilt right up until the moment of impact. WebAt approx 1600, radio messages THOMPSON, HOWELL O SGT, USMCR-A MISSING A that led us to believe flight was lost in vicinity of PAONESSA, GEORGE R SGT, USMCR-A MISSING A Bahama Islands. He was sworn-in to his first term in the House of Representatives in 1917, just a month before Congress took a very fateful vote on whether the U.S. would enter World War I. Lundeen, again, just a month into his first term in congress, he voted no. 27, USS Chincoteague AVP24 War Damage Report No. We seem to be bereft of reason. That speech was also a speech against America getting into the war. I must keep my planes intact. (Ed. In fact, the senator's secretary herself had reportedly witnessed something along those same lines. In a plane crash that, from the very start, was a real mystery. We are not the first generation of Americans to have to contend with such a fundamental threat. Maddow: This is a story of treachery, deceit and almost unfathomable actions on the part of people who are elected to defend the constitution, but who instead got themselves implicated in a plot to undermine it. Even if some did escape their sinking planes, they might not have pulled their life rafts out of the hatch on the rear fuselage before the planes were swamped and sunk in the heavy seas. One of the most oft-discussed and mysterious vanishings of aircraft revolve around the enigmatic Flight 19, in 1945. 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