Suffice it to say that the main variable, by I could name several (if not hundreds) of examples. relative to the newer sets (i.e. I enjoy these types of exchanges as they demonstrate an interest in both APBA and the game of baseball. g! Again, you can read APBA official steps on the Starting Pitching Fatigue Chart here. The x,y,z, zz, k, r, and w are strike-out and control ratings that go above the normal pitching grades A, B, C, D. k, x, y add more strike outs, z and zz limit walks, w adds walks and passed balls, r turns a strike-out into a flyout or groundout. You might say why all the fuss? Version 5.7.1 adds hard-coded 2022 season data. appearances to get you to 27 outs (ERA is based on 27 outs). This hardly justifies the difference in rating from 6 to 11. First up I simply ran a 5-season simulation on every grade from 1 through 30 with all of the neutral subratings: no control, no strikeout and no homerun. I know that in the Master Game, an A&C pitcher had a grade of either 24 or 27 (18 for A, 6 to 9 for C I think). For a number Pitcher Fatigue When the pitcher has faced the # of batters indicated by his BF factor, he is subject to downgrade starting with the next batter as follows: - With the first batter that reaches base other than by error after he reaches his BF factor, he is downgraded one grade. In part two, I went over the error and rare play numbers and found out that everything was pretty much the same. We use a player usage limits system (its a pretty strict one if you hear Rob Spatz tell it). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I know it sounds simple but quite honestly, if you poll your casual baseball fan, most probably wont know what is a good WHIP and was isnt. Thats why Im not interested in the newer games out there. The following variables are used in the calculations: LW = The league (NL or AL) average number of unintentional walks per batter faced LHR = The average number of home runs allowed per batter faced LD = The average number of doubles allowed per batter faced The teams tend to perform in a similar manner. .hide-if-no-js { Im not sure how I feel about the Fatigue Chart. Rumors are flyin about 2020 rookie APBA drafts! Essentially, you can't use the same formula from year to year. I doubt. Variety. Do you then use Boggs rather than Motte to be the closer? If you are predicting the grades APBA will assign, or predicting grades for sets APBa has produced in the past, know that no single formula will sufficealso that the Gameco doesn't publish how they derive grades. Very interesting data. Like I told Bill, I cant fault APBA for using ERA as the grading method. A pitcher rated G24 would get a roll on every home run result; a roll of 24 or lower would turn the HR into a double. I am thinking abt David Price vs. Justin Verlander for the Cy Young. I then did the same thing, this time concentrating on the pitching grades. ~g~. Sounds great, right? chart on the bases empty board.
With so many extra dice rolls, the games took longer to play, especially as offense exploded in the 90s. In the past few days, reader Bill Ferguson and I have been discussing the finer aspects of APBAs methods of grading pitchers via email. the author knew that. You can His Pythag comes out to 20-point-something. I admit, I mostly paid attention to ERA variances not the R / 36 PA. Version 5.7.1 adds hard-coded 2022 season data Version 5.7 adds Previous and Next year controls (to the right and the left of the year selector). APBA - Between the Lines - Baseball Pitching Grade Guide - Fellow players, I have read articles on the forum about the process of determining pitching grades, and engaged in some research and developed a guide many years ago. log in with any email address. I never thought about that. pitchers MG Grade, probably wouldnt really care even if they did notice. Hard to explain "Lefty" Gomez in 1932 with 24-7 record and a 4.21 era in determining a grade, but he won, no doubt Ruth & Gehrig helped! In the Basic game, I would say the guy who allowed fewer HR/9 should receive a better grade than the guy who allowed more HR/9. We had a pretty graphic illustration of it in the Ray Benge replay. the casual fan or the young fans), they must use the current standards in place. I wrote about the Starting Pitching Fatigue Chart, its a pretty strict one if you hear Rob Spatz tell it, APBA official steps on the Starting Pitching Fatigue Chart here, Double Take #35 APBA Soccer and more with John Cochrane, Excel users: Try my spreadsheet for keeping baseball stats. leagues, use the ERA for whichever league he pitched more innings in. e! BUT the league devised (or copied from someone, I cant remember) a system that attempted to refine walks and home runs based on numbers allowed per inning. Of course it also impacts hits per inning. fault of the pitcher and thats where you can say Seitz was using the pitching I think [APBA] has done a poor job of pitcher ratings relative to the batter cards. I agree with his revision strategy. I started playing some games with the 2015 baseball set this week. Individualizing Fielding These boards use individual fielder ratings and a fielding column finder chart (modified from the master charts) whenever a ( ) with a fielder position in it (e.g., (1B)) is on the left of the chart. New to Delphi Forums? an innovation based on the current scale, do you make adjustments when using interesting chart - I, unlike some, think wins and winning % should be a significant factor in determining grade. :). The best way to find out what all the symbols mean would be to purchase the physical card and dice game and read through the instructions/play book. It has its quirks, but As an example, I took the data from above, and plotted it on both an per 9 IP and per PA/36 basis: Notice how the BB/36 PA stays relatively constant: it does go up a slight bit as the opportunities where the Z comes into play goes down a bit since theres less runners on with better pitchers, while the BB/9 IP slowly declines. Dunno about using wins/losses as any kind of criteriaI don't. in response to your stat inputs. The guy who owned the pitcher with the lower grade actually quit the league over it; he should have just traded for the guy with the higher grade! Follow these grade adjustments (from APBAs instructions): When the number of batters faced equals his BF adjusted total. I heard on Facebook that James just earned his league's title so perhaps his Challenge win is more than just coincidence.
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For the purpose of just providing adequately accurate pitcher ratings for seasons you want to play/study/own, the numbers wind up being extremely season-specific, even case-specific. How is the best way to find the pitcher codes? I use the rules as published. With 38 starts, he's going to be above .500, and it would be easy for him to get 20 wins. Thus, the current scale remains intact across doesn't issue these ratings until mid-December, the commissioner will These lost HRs are compensated for by the EBH? results vs. D pitchers. Bottom line is this. log in with your Facebook, Twitter, or Google account, http://imaginarysports.com/projects/apba/pitcher-ratings.asp, http://apbablog.com/predictions/pitcher-grades-tool-on-the-web. WordPress theme by. With strikeouts its a little more pronounced, but the same thing happens that around Grade 15 they pass each other. On the split screen, scroll down to Pitching Role, there you will get the number of starts and Plate Appearances (PA) which is the same as Batters Faced. However, for someone to play the master game of APBA, hed have to be more of a student of the game. For example, if the batter card result is a 1, a third die roll of 1-2 versus an A pitcher converts a homerun to a single. I was wanting to take a look but the connection seems to be broken. Actually you can. @ F G $$If a$ $If + L Z kdh $$If l F x X 6 4 Since statistically, a combined dice roll of 7 is the most probable outcome, a reduction of 4 in the pitcher fatigue rating would be the most likely occurrence. (2) I was a little confused on the data in the table concerning grades. Actual IP to determine how many grade points (if any) to add to the pitching Shawn Kaufmann. The pitching system was When the offense went south - and it really did - Ray went right along with it. is. Makes you wonder if something else is at play. I assume general fatigue would have been built into the pitchers grade if it takes ERA into account. in response to your stat inputs. 1905 Chicago Cubs replay update: Brown faces the Phils, Excel users: Try my spreadsheet for keeping baseball stats. select a player from the list to the left of the card, OR 3. I recall one example, but dont remember who the pitchers werebut they had about the same ERA. or use the New Member Login option and Now I'm curious about Kremer's season. and it's the same for him. Refining Pitching Grades APBAs basic game has three main grades: B, C, D. A pitchers are less than 5% of the population, and A&C and A&B are rare. more of everything not just the extra two outs. Theres no doubt that when you convert a Master Game Grade 5 to the Basic Game that he becomes better than a 9(W) converted. When the Master Game came into play, the number of grades increased from 6 to 30, with each grade divided into 5 parts. Because of that intent a pitchers grade not only reflects their ability but to a certain extent their teams ability as well. A G or L is either a half or whole point depending on the initial grade, while an M is a 2 or 3 point penalty. Obtain the ERA for the individual league the pitcher pitched in The R rating turns strikeouts with bases empty into a groundout, third to first. line with the Master Game. That and you could get an A grade for 20 wins and a 4+ ERA. a simple little chart. APBA Master Game Starting Pitching Grades Formula Innings Pitched ERA (Below) W-L (Misc), Grade 8 100-139 3.30 2x as many wins as losses 140-189 3.75 & a winning record 190-239 4.10 240 & above 4.50 & win 15 games, Grade 9 100-139 3.20 2x as many wins as losses 140-189 3.50 with more wins than losses 190 & above 3.75, Grade 10 100-149 3.10 150-189 3.40 190 & above 3.60 or win 15 games &/or .700% & ERA < 4.00, Grade 11 100-149 3.00 or have a .700% & ERA < 3.20 150-189 3.30 or win 15 games & ERA < 3.60 190 & above 3.50 or win 15 games & .575% & ERA < 4.10, Grade 12 100-159 2.90 160-189 3.20 with a winning record 190-239 3.40 or win 15 games with .600% & ERA < 3.75 240 & above 3.50 or win 18 games with a .550% & ERA < 4.00 Grade 13 100-159 2.80 160-189 3.00 190 & above 3.10 or win 18 games with .700% & ERA < 3.50, Grade 14 100-169 2.70 170-189 2.90 190 & above 3.00 or 20 wins with .725% & ERA < 3.50, Grade 15 100-169 2.60 170-189 2.80 190-239 3.00 or 20 wins with .725% & ERA < 3.30 240 & above 3.20 or 23 wins with .650% & ERA < 3.40, Grade 16 170-189 2.40 190-249 2.60 250 & above 2.75 or 23 wins with .650% & ERA < 3.25, Grade 17 170-189 2.20 190- 249 2.50 250 & above 2.60 or 20 wins with .675% & ERA < 2.90, Grade 18 190-249 2.30 250 & above 2.40 or 24 wins with .750% & ERA < 3.00, Grade19 190-249 2.20 250-274 2.25 or 25 wins 275 & above 2.35 or 25 wins with .775% & ERA< 2.45, Grade 20 190-250 2.10 251 & above 2.20 or 25 wins *also any pitcher who wins 27 games or more w/ an ERA < 2.60. First let me say that there never will be a perfect system. The problem is many of the starters have their ERAs inflated because a reliever didnt shut down the offense when the starter left men on base. APBAs Basic game is robust enough that it can be customize it in a manner that reflects the interests of a particular individual and/or members of a league. For example, take two pitchers who both BARELY receive an X rating based on their identical K/9 stat. The way the MG grade was the master grade? I do about 40% Strat, 30% APBA, and 30% Diamond Mind and could probably write 100 pages on different elements of each game that are stronger than the others. The strikeout letters proved to be of little change to the results. These boards also stipulate a re-roll for "8" results with bases empty to see if the single is converted to an out (for D pitchers) or if the single is NOT changed to an out (for B and better pitchers). Obviously, games won arent always solely the The premise is I make either 6, 8, 10 or 12 teams out of that major league season and play a 30 game schedule using the Master Game and the approximately one million innovations Ive added through the years.
I think Johns point is somewhat valid. Only users with topic management privileges can see it. far (maybe 80-85% of the total weight of the grade), is relative ERA. MAXIMUM BF: When maximum BF reached, pitcher automatically downgraded 2 grades: Starters: BF+10 Relievers: BF+5 To calculate BF factors, use this formula: (IP x 3 + H + BB) / GS, and round down. The only ratings that really made a material difference where the homer ratings: 5 additional ratings and approximately 20 effective grades jumped the classes to 1,500. The x,y,z, zz, k, r, and w are strike-out and control ratings that go above the normal pitching grades A, B, C, D. k, x, y add more strike outs, z and zz limit walks, w adds walks and passed balls, r turns a strike-out into a flyout or groundout. This sounds complicated but really is not and is relatively infrequent as it will occur on only 1 out of 6 singles vs. Grade D pitchers. If that same club scored 8 runs a game for that pitcher, you can't know that APBA is going to replicate that. Double plays gently decline as there are fewer runners to double off in the higher grades. Like the player above, I was wondering just what the number meant. When I wrote 8.9 K/9 above it should have read 8.9 H/9. This One pitcher is a D and the other is an A. card sets that use the old scale? Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. On average, hit-and-running is advantageous with an 11 on rst. Every inning they appear in started with 0 outs. I think that Bills point about variety is a key one. The mean comes out to a reduction of about 0.639 or just a little less than 2/3 of a batter per game. l a f4 " . In that way the effects of the (W) When the number of batters faced equals his BF adjusted total - Retires the next two batters - reduce pitching grade by one grade - Retires the next two batters (batters number three and four) - reduce pitching grade . Essentially, the SPFC is a feature to be used in the APBA Basic Baseball to add some realism when it comes to starting pitching durability. "Save" saves the Selected Players list. I dont necessarily disagree with you and I know a few people who feel strongly that APBA should base grades on the pitchers actual performance such as hits and walks given up and not on stats which are the possible result of his performance (like ERA) or stats that are dependent on external factors (like wins). Not going to find too many 19-Ms out there: One thing to note here is that even though the average grade is an 8 as mentioned earlier, the midpoint of the grades is pretty much between 8 and 9, as the weight of the bad numbers (especially the W) drive the relative grade (assigned grade plus subrating effects) does bring it down a bit.
In a quirk of the computer vs. Master Game, the latter now has an additional control rating and 4 additional strikeout ratings. So what I do is assign a pitcher a rating that is purely a reflection of his hits/ip and that rating is used whenever starts and inning until he gives up a hit, a walk or an hit batter. Like it or not, its the standard MLB and the sports media uses to judge the pitchers (though they are catching up in recent years). If Thank you for posting. or next line of table, Use the ERA calculated in Steps 1-3 and the pitcher's Well, he gave up two hits that drove home a couple runs that werent charged to him. Is Wainwright truly just a low C grade pitcher whereas Lynn is a solid B? Learn how your comment data is processed. What this means is that there is often a player who, for example, is a 2 in the Basic version but a 3 in the Advanced. The strikeout subratings were of little overall effect and the A&C and A&B grades rarely came into play. Pitchers had basically two ratings, and one drubbing could inflate the ERA for the year to a point it would never recover. I have been playing since 1975, and have numerous baseball seasons, OFAS, GTOP's, etc and football seasons as well. I remove the starter after they completed an inning where he reached the BF number unless hes throwing a shutout. Weve broached this topic before, I believe. This isnt to dis on APBA, by the way. Learn how your comment data is processed. However, theyre based on the old pitching The goal in all cases is to replicate ERA? 1-4, 5-9, 10-14. computed was never changed. conversion scheme, i.e., 1-5 = D, instead of 1-4 = D. How do you use this and other pitching Since its pretty difficult to give a set formula due to the vagaries of what grade the pitcher is for both the run and home run differences, Ill just present a chart: With walks, the computer game does not have capacity for the ZZ, although it is unknown if the 5.75 update has added them (there are no 2012 pitchers rated ZZ to check). Support the Card Computer from Compuduck Sports Software: I am not affilliated with the APBA game company, Miller Associates or any other APBA-related commercial enterprise. Essentially, the SPFC is a feature to be used in the APBA Basic Baseball to add some realism when it comes to starting pitching durability. I realize thats a one game example but you get my point. The Basic game is intended to reach a range of customers. The set of cards created for each team are intended to recreate that teams performance. A lot of work! log in with your Facebook, Twitter, or Google account what ever stats you desire. This wigged out guys who didnt get the concept. Bills method is an interesting idea though. The BF number is the upper limit for the middle relievers in a 3 game series. The best way to align your outeld against average hitters is given in Table 7. It looked like overlaps? I think an A&B is the equivalent of a 28-30 grade. Long story short: Ive learned some time ago when recapping away games not to rely on stats and box scores and instead comb through the play-by-play. Here are the charts we use to enhance our APBA Master Game play. }, Copyright APBAMetrics 2023. There were no additional control or strikeout subratings, but additional subratings were added for homers, wild pitches, balks, hit by pitch and holding runners. Unfortunately, other factors play into it as well like Bill says. Hi Chris, This difference is made up with the bad HR ratings (L and M) causing more home runs than the good HR ratings (G and H) take away. Calculate the batters # of EBH (1-col card) or 1st col 0s + 1s (2 col card) and roll 1 die to see if an EBH results (then if it does, randomly select the EBH from the batters card). When grading an entire season, I will tailor the chart above such that the total grade distribution assigned by APBA is not significantly changed (e.g., there are still roughly the same number of As, Bs, Cs, and Ds, those grades are merely re-distributed to the right pitchers). That system could easily be made season specific. If the pitcher is going to need those three runs a game to make his season W-L, he's probably gonna be hurtin'. From best to worst it goes H, G, L and M. Think of them as Hardly Any, Good, Lots, and Mucho. Grade A pitchers have to compensate for allowing too many EBH by allowing too few singles. Does anyone remember the board-game version, Pursue the Pennant? Another (master game) league I was in for a number of years tried to remedy this with its own system. Undoubtedly the strength of the defense behind the pitcher impacts ERA. I have chosen to use a narrow range for the +/- results to limit the occurrence of these outcomes and thus minimize re-rolls. "Restore" restores the last saved Selected Players list. When the Phillies were scoring at will, Ray was winning some despite being a below-average pitcher.
If you look at their relative hits/ip youll see Motte is significantly better than Boggs. The standard formula would now have to be moved "up or down" in relation to the statistics from the original replay. The League ERA will be the average of the two ERA's in Steps 1 and 2 Its a relatively new feature rolled out by APBA. Instructions For Using Table: Obtain pitcher's Actual ERA If the League ERAfor the corresponding major league season was lower than 3.70, obtain the number of points that it was lower than 3.70 and add that number to the pitcher's ERA - EXCEPTION 1: If the pitcher is tossing a shutout, he is not subject to downgrade until he allows a run (at which point he is downgraded two grades). So I use this chart which I borrowed from some one who had posted it somewhere. I see others with 26, 28. "Card font" will change the font the card display uses. How do you rate the pitchers? Roll (Added) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 This is different (and, in my opinion, preferable) to the Coxx system and other systems in which you determine a potentially new grade for the entire game. Skeetersoft This is one reason a no-hitter is more likely in APBA (by a grade B or better pitcher) than in real life. grades are not off for certain years. When APBA came out in 1951, the concept of the grade was added, so now pitchers fell into six classes: A&C, A&B, A, B, C and D. The grade was pretty much determined by two factors: ERA and innings. Well, heres the fuss. This is something you have to do while playing cards and dice, APBA GO does this for you automatically. The intent of the Basic game (Master game too) is to replay a season. That number at the end of the pitchers grade is the BF (Batters Faced) Rating. One other point against using ERA as the basis is relievers. New to Delphi Forums? And finally, is there a place players can visit to keep current of APBA playing rules updates (like this SPFC)? what the ERA says. This is just one example. Also, the 11 results with runners on 1st and 3rd, which did not result in a SB, has been converted into a caught stealing. [], In the original National Pastime game, the only thing that a pitcher contributed was hitting. A discussion on APBA's pitcher grading system Thomas Nelshoppen March 2, 2013 March 2, 2013 Resources In the past few days, reader Bill Ferguson and I have been discussing the finer aspects of APBA's methods of grading pitchers via email. highest numbered double on the board. This topic has been deleted. So, when that happens, whats going on is October. I hope other people will add their thoughts and I hope you can keep the thread going. So essentially, its a steep down hill once a starting pitching reaches their Batters Faced mark. Dave has a good point. Pitchers are either a 1 or 2, C 5-9, 1B 2-6, 2B 4-9, 3B 3-5, SS 5-10, OF 1-3you add up the total fielding and it gives you the fielding rating for the team (35 or less is fielding 3, 36-40 fielding 2, 41 and up fielding 1). Hi guys, For example, a guy with limited range in the outfield but who never makes an error (like a Ryan Braun for example) might be a 3 in the Advanced version but a 2 in the Basic version. A similar patterns occurs with the actual HR/36 PA. If were going Pitchers have two really useful rating the basic grade and the Z rating. The number is not static and can vary from one start to another. 2. But it also hurt the playability of the game. You can display: none !important; Pitchers' ratings are based upon the league (AL or NL) they pitched in real baseball. Each pitching grade can encompass a large range of performance.
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